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Why the US is not in Bible prohecy.
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Fred A Stover
2008-01-11 03:33:34 UTC
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Fred A Stover
2008-01-11 07:00:58 UTC
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Is the restoration of Israel as a nation spoken of in prophecy?If it
is, the US has to be, as it exists as a direct result of actions taken
by the US after WW2.
Pharaoh George has decided he is greater to God, and unfortunately, when the
other pharaoh made the same assumption, it wasn't just the pharaoh who
suffered.
BTW, I dont teach "Israel identity" stuff, like Herbert Armstrong did,
positing the US was Manasseh.
That's good because is is malarkey.

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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-01-11 07:41:26 UTC
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What does that have to do with what I wrote?You claim the US isnt in
prophecy, but it has to be, if there is any connection between future
events and Gods plan for salvation.
No, it doesn't. It just falls under the blanket heading of "the nations,"
just like every other nation that isn't Israel.

Re 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of
the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward
unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy
name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The US is just part of the "great and terrible beast" of western society in
general, which tries to be humanist like the kingdoms of the north, liberal
like the kingdoms of the east, and fundamentalist like the kings of the
south, all at the same time, giving rise to continual confusion, or, going
by its biblical name, "Babylon."

These are the four "winds" of prophecy that will come against God's Israel.

Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-01-11 18:51:36 UTC
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On Jan 11, 1:41 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
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[snip]
What does that have to do with what I wrote?You claim the US isnt in
prophecy, but it has to be, if there is any connection between future
events and Gods plan for salvation.
No, it doesn't. It just falls under the blanket heading of "the nations,"
just like every other nation that isn't Israel.
Yes it does because literal Israel exists because of literal actions
by the US.
Ah, no, by the LITERAL actions of the Balfour Declaration and the United
Nations, which are "the nations."
Post by H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Re 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of
the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward
unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy
name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
The US is just part of the "great and terrible beast" of western society in
general, which tries to be humanist like the kingdoms of the north, liberal
like the kingdoms of the east, and fundamentalist like the kings of the
south, all at the same time, giving rise to continual confusion, or, going
by its biblical name, "Babylon."
These are the four "winds" of prophecy that will come against God's Israel.
Ike
Who is God's Israel?
Which one? The one that "was," the one that "is," or the one that is "yet to
come?"

The one that "was" closed with the coming of John the Baptist, as Jesus
said...

Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the
kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The one that "is" will close with the fulfillment of the time of the
Gentiles and the dissimilation of the churches, as Paul wrote...

Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this
mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part
is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The one that "will be" will start with Jesus' Remnant, i.e. the 144,000, who
will "keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of Jesus," etc., etc.
It will come from both the Israel that "was" and "is," but will be neither
and both at the same time. This "Israel" is hidden in the nations, and won't
be seen until God calls them out, as Jeremiah [31:27-34] wrote...

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of
Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of
beast.
And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to
pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to
afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour
grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge, but every one shall die for
his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be
set on edge.
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the
covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the
hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the
covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith
the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their
hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall
teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the
greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I
will remember their sin no more.

Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-01-11 19:01:34 UTC
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On Jan 11, 1:41 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
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[snip]
What does that have to do with what I wrote?You claim the US isnt in
prophecy, but it has to be, if there is any connection between future
events and Gods plan for salvation.
No, it doesn't. It just falls under the blanket heading of "the nations,"
just like every other nation that isn't Israel.
Yes it does because literal Israel exists because of literal actions
by the US.
I'll add this part to clarify
If you look at Jeremiah 33, you will find Judah and Israel mentioned
together.Since the US *literally* housed more jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
than Israel until recently, it takes no stretching of scripture to
make the US *literally* their "house".
LOL

No, the US is not the "house of Israel," since those "Israelites" are,
by-and-large, "Jews who are not Jews."

God's Israel is hidden in the nations, and won't be called out until Jesus
sends them His 144,000 Israelite-Christian evangelists.
Scriptures also mentioning the strengthening of this house, and the
cornerstone coming from here.
Scripture doesn't mention anything ABOUT "here."
If you want to see this country as part of some growing evil empire
totally unconnected with the saving grace of God and his plans for the
world, thats your problem.
LOL

No, it plain fact, which makes it everyone's problem--the US (and, in fact,
the churches worldwide) are spinning out of control and off into the nether
regions, just as Jesus established in the Seven Letters of Revelation, which
themselves establish the starting point of the rest of the prophecy.
I dont need top explain this very simple concept any further.
What you DO need to do is substantiate your doctrines from scripture, which
you can't, which means they are false.

FACT: America is being sucked into the Great Apostasy just like everyone
else, and along the same six lines of heresy outlined in the seven
letters...

1) Legalistic fundamentalism, as per Ephesus
2) Universalism, as per Smyrna
3) Unbiblical tradition and rites, as per Pergamos
4) Liberalism, as per Thyatira
5) Worldly profiteering, as per Sardis (the current age) and
6) Rationalistic marginalism (as is emerging).

Ike
Fred A Stover
2008-01-11 12:40:57 UTC
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Is the restoration of Israel as a nation spoken of in prophecy?If it
is, the US has to be, as it exists as a direct result of actions taken
by the US after WW2.
Pharaoh George has decided he is greater to God, and unfortunately, when the
other pharaoh made the same assumption, it wasn't just the pharaoh who
suffered.
What does that have to do with what I wrote?You claim the US isnt in
prophecy, but it has to be, if there is any connection between future
events and Gods plan for salvation.
<snip>
What happened to Egypt? If you find the US there, cite the verses.


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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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Misty
2008-01-12 08:43:31 UTC
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BEAST OUT OF THE EARTH

Rev 11:
11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but
he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his
behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal
wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire
to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was
given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the
earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the
sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first
beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be
killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to
receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell
unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the
beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. (NIV)

So the US is in Bible Prophecy isn't it??

M,
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Is the restoration of Israel as a nation spoken of in prophecy?If it
is, the US has to be, as it exists as a direct result of actions taken
by the US after WW2.
Pharaoh George has decided he is greater to God, and unfortunately, when the
other pharaoh made the same assumption, it wasn't just the pharaoh who
suffered.
What does that have to do with what I wrote?You claim the US isnt in
prophecy, but it has to be, if there is any connection between future
events and Gods plan for salvation.
<snip>
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
2008-01-12 12:39:18 UTC
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Post by Misty
BEAST OUT OF THE EARTH
11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like
a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of
the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants
worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he
performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from
heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given
power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of
the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who
was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give
breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause
all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced
everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a
mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or
sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number
of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the
number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. (NIV)
So the US is in Bible Prophecy isn't it??
???

No.

Ike
rjbjr
2008-01-11 13:23:37 UTC
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ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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Revelation talks about a city with 7 hills. How many hills does Washington,
DC have?
Anyone know?
Fred A Stover
2008-01-12 15:38:30 UTC
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Revelation talks about a city with 7 hills. How many hills does
Washington, DC have?
Anyone know?
What version are you using?

KJV: Rev. 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven
mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

I don't see the US at all. Do you have reasons for thinking the city is
Washington DC?


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ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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rjbjr
2008-01-14 12:21:13 UTC
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Revelation talks about a city with 7 hills. How many hills does
Washington, DC have?
Anyone know?
What version are you using?
KJV: Rev. 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven
mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
I don't see the US at all. Do you have reasons for thinking the city is
Washington DC?
I'm not sure. The number of hills is a key clue. Much of the description
seems to match Washington DC to me - more than Rome. DC is the center of
world attention. World power is located there. DC is the center of
corruption and deception, etc. But, I'll cross it off my list of
possibilities if there aren't 7 hills. I can't find a topo map. But, I did
live there and can think of 4 or 5 hills.
Fred A Stover
2008-01-15 09:50:44 UTC
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Post by Fred A Stover
Post by rjbjr
Post by Fred A Stover
mms://msmedia.a7.org/arutz7/shows/ts/tovia080109-1.mp3
Revelation talks about a city with 7 hills. How many hills does
Washington, DC have?
Anyone know?
What version are you using?
KJV: Rev. 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven
mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
I don't see the US at all. Do you have reasons for thinking the city is
Washington DC?
I'm not sure. The number of hills is a key clue. Much of the description
seems to match Washington DC to me - more than Rome. DC is the center of
world attention. World power is located there. DC is the center of
corruption and deception, etc. But, I'll cross it off my list of
possibilities if there aren't 7 hills. I can't find a topo map. But, I
did live there and can think of 4 or 5 hills.
I don't know how many Washington DC has.

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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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